Learn Why Jesus BANNED Heaven From Famous Uganda Pastor!

Learn Why Jesus BANNED Heaven From Famous Uganda Pastor!

Renowned Pastor in Uganda with a “successful ministry” in saving many souls, many healed and many delivered was SHOCKED when JESUS told him “if I came today …

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BluBerriBabiKisses90 says:

@Thecountic16 what you said about repentance and salvation makes NO sense.. repentance and obedience is only required after you’re saved then how are you saved?? You only become saved when you “deny” yourself aka admitting your faults you need to work at (repentance) and come to god completely(obedience) yeah you have to work on youself after that so you can be acceptable in his sight but should be doing before so..

TheCountic16 says:

Yea all people have to make their own personal judgement calls on that.

John Doe says:

Well, one reason I question them is partly the spiritual fruit they produce but also it reminds me of the Quran. Mohammud claimed a visit by an “angel”. Whether it happened or not is debatable, but if it was real, it clearly was not of God. The entity he described was violent and cruel. If Satan is allowed to visit Mohammud then he is also allowed to visit americans in present day. That’s why I tend to just ignore these people now. Its hard to tell and I can’t risk being decieved.

TheCountic16 says:

I wouldn’t deny their testimony. I might believe it, and yet not put faith into it. There is a subtle difference between belief and faith.  Besides, their visions are likely valid but that does not mean they have the correct doctrine (yet). I take such testimonies as reason for believing I need to seek for God, not as reason for believing their specific version.

John Doe says:

Aahh. Yes, that makes sense. That is how I had come to understand it. Then I started listening to all these testimonies and they put the fear into me. That type of faith cannot be a saving faith b/c it bears no fruit. So I guess the real question should be are these testimonials even possible? I think they MIGHT be possible b/c Paul/Saul had a vision but if these stories prevent spiritual fruit, it doesn’t matter; stop listening to them.

TheCountic16 says:

I think it is consistent throughout the entire Bible that the ones who were counted as righteous were the ones who recognized their daily and perpetual sins, and chose to magnify God and humble themselves especially when they were unable to defeat temptation. So long as your heart seeks to find Truth, and does not allow its preconceived “born and raised on” traditions to prevent them from seeking Truth…this is a true characteristic of one who has been elected and chosen.

TheCountic16 says:

(cont2) So what happens, ultimately, is that when Grace is bestowed…you turn from obeying the law out of fear (which produces no fruit) into a translated man who now obeys the law out of love (which produces an abundance of fruit). The point is…even though Grace causes your love for the law grows EVEN MORE….you fear the condemnation it brings, even less. Grace is the safety net that gains you the confidence to attempt to obey it with love, when you priorly abhorred it.

TheCountic16 says:

(Cont) Justification, however, is not causation. Justification does not save. Justification “just” proves to others, and more importantly, to yourself…that you are saved. So if you believe and obey, these are signs that show you are saved. They didn’t cause it, they just affirmed it. The actual cause was Grace, Mercy, and Truth dying on the cross and resurrecting you via a marriage covenant. The beauty of Grace is it covers all sin, past present and future, no matter the sin except one.

TheCountic16 says:

I would put it like this: When Jesus spoke to the man who asked him how to obtain salvation, Jesus said “believe.” Many take this to be a doctrinal statement rather than Jesus stating a personal message to a random stranger. The stranger….doubted. Jesus was explaining to him that if he *truly* believes in seeking for truth….Grace has already determined his election. Belief and obedience are what you should call “justification” of your faith, which means “the proof.”

TheCountic16 says:

I always use my personal testimony as a matter for establishing my own faith (I had a vision back in June), but never assume or expect others to believe it. I believe it is not prudent to expect another person to believe your vision off your word alone, but instead to listen to it and put it on a shelf in your “thought box” of considerations.

John Doe says:

Hey I do have a question for you: in another comment you were talking about salvation and obedience. How does one know they are saved? How important is obediance? I have read the NT many times but I can’t get a consensus on this issue. many opinions. These testimonials freak me out b/c they preach 100% obediance not a blemish of sin. That is not freaking possible when you consider anything in Matt 5. So it still has me freaked out. What is your scriptural explanation of this issue?

TheCountic16 says:

It took me many years to develop a “kosher” filter. It is a two part machine. 1) One must read enough scripture sufficiently enough to know what it does and doesn’t say and 2) The easy part:factchecking the premises of any and all arguments, including my own. Its sort of like taking 1 + 1 = 2 and working it backwards to “check” it by going “and 2 – 1 = 1.” I re-read every single word and letter a person writes and cross it carefully with scripture. All this…just to eliminate assumptions.Amen!

John Doe says:

It would be really clever of Satan to introduce a false gospel so close to the true gospel to be believable but dangerous enough to lead believers into apostasy. Beware of testimonials. All you need is the inspired Word of God and a relationship through prayer with Jesus to get into heaven. I won’t tolerate listening to garbage. I don’t accept any man or woman’s testimony as inspired Word of God. That’s how the SDA cult started and many others.

John Doe says:

Its nice to hear one voice of truth and reason amongst all the !#$!$. I have been watching these heaven and hell testimonies for a while. They tell subtle lies and then gloss over them with shear horror to make you forget and not notice. Took me awhile to figure it out. People need to learn to put a filter on what they believe from testimonials.

TheCountic16 says:

Sorry, one last proof of how your scripture doesn’t defend your stance against the opposing stance.

If Repentance causes salvation, then 100% of those who are saved will repent.
If Salvation causes Repentance, then 100% of those who are saved will repent.

Therefore…regardless of which way you look at the relationship of which comes first, salvation, or repentance, the scriptures that state “you will repent” are true.

So please check the other side’s full beliefs. You will break down.

TheCountic16 says:

And hey, when you find two scriptures that seem to you to contradict each other…quit thinking that the other person is choosing to ignore your verses so its somehow ok for you to ignore theirs….as if its a battle over who is right about the contradiction. If there is a contradiction…NO ONE WINS. WE ALL LOSE. So instead, when you SEE a contradiction, you have to think deeper. There are ways to realize more than what you initially saw.

TheCountic16 says:

In the meantime….you *ARE* in continual intentional disregard of the verses that *DO* declare salvation doctrine, with NO reading into them. Ephesians 2:8. “for by repentance and obedience have ye been saved through faith; and you earned it (partly), it is not the gift of God (partly)”

Oh wait…thats not how is reads, is it?

How about you do me a favor…and correct it with the appropriate words would ya? Thanks.

TheCountic16 says:

Those verses do not contradict what I have taught. You misinterpret the word “will” in this context. He is foreordaining your future. Regardless, no matter which way you read it, there is no explicit “obedience is required to obtain salvation” statement in all of that entire verse you provided.  You are reading salvation doctrine into them. They are prophetic words. They are not commandments. Those who he puts his Grace upon, he is declaring these things will happen to them.

alien instrangeland says:

btw, the verses are from John’s Gospel, Chapter 14.

alien instrangeland says:

The Lord Jesus said to the disciples, “If you love me, you will OBEY what I command.” (v 15). “Whoever has my commands and OBEYS them, he is the one who loves me.” (v. 21) “If anyone loves me, he will OBEY my teaching. My Father will love him, and will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not OBEY my teaching.” (vv 23 – 24) Logic tells me if one disobeys, then God’s wrath awaits for him Also, check out the Parable of the House Built on Sand.

omonil says:

WOW!!!!! Who did you think Christ was talking about in the book of Revelations when he said repent quickly for i have not found thy works perfect before my father? Didn’t he even speak to the Church in Sardis that if they did not repent that he would blot out there names from the book of life?

May this word not stand against us on the day of judgement and condemn us. Amen.

TheCountic16 says:

Obedience is not a requirement for salvation. Show more scripture and less rationalization please. Show a scripture that states “obedience is a requirement to obtain salvation.” The only thing that scripture says you are saved BY….is Grace of God. It covers all sins, even sins of disobedience. There is no sin unforgiven except rejecting Jesus alone (blaspheming the Holy Spirit, or rejecting the Holy Spirit).

alien instrangeland says:

We will certainly find out later who is saved or not. Without a doubt, the believer must practice holiness. Practicing righteousness is our humble, but required, RESPONSE to receiving God’s mercy for our sins. Should there be no obedience to His commands, that is a mark of false salvation. Those who love Jesus must keep His commands. Faith without works is DEAD. Of course, the believer must actively abide in Jesus in order to practice righteousness. Apart from Him, he can do nothing.

alien instrangeland says:

That is what Jesus preached. Then, that is good enough for me.

TheCountic16 says:

How do you expect that to be convincing to a person who has God living inside of them, where they can feel him, and talk to him, and get real responses?

You need to realize that the only reason we believe is because we have experienced something you have not, and you are forming your opinion on the basis that because you didn’t experience it…it somehow makes it untrue. Instead…seek to experience it.

TheCountic16 says:

I have heard that line of reasoning. Unfortunately, its a line of reasoning that falls apart if you do more Biblical research. One thing a person needs to learn about Satanism is that every other religion in the world is formed to deceive people from believing the Bible. This includes mock religions and thoughts, where the authors of those religions (fallen angels) purposely try to make their religions look like Jesus was just another part of those religions’ process.

TheCountic16 says:

A person who claims repentance is a requirement for salvation…will be judged for rejecting the power of Grace to be fully sufficient to cover his sins. I repent daily, hourly, even sometimes by the minute. Quit assuming that just because I KNOW that Grace covers ALL my sins, and that repentance has no cause in my salvation…that I am somehow against repentance. I LOVE REPENTANCE! It just holds no power over salvation!

TheCountic16 says:

A Nicolaitan is a person who preaches two things: 1) That one must do something to become saved and 2) that their must be a hierarchical authority structure to the church. (Aka, that priests, bishops, pastors, etc, have some sort of personal authority over the individuals in their congregation). Jesus preached repentance. So do I. I LOVE REPENTANCE!!!! But repentance doesn’t cause salvation. Salvation causes repentance. Its ALL OVER the scripture.

TheCountic16 says:

Again, I have nothing against repentance. I LOVE REPENTANCE!!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!! You are not listening very well. I LOVE REPENTANCE! But Luke 24:47, when it is SAYING “Unless you repent you will perish” it is *NOT* saying “Repentance is a requirement or cause for salvation.” Do you not understand this? Do you not understand that you cannot connect the dots in the way you are trying to, with this passage?

I want a passage that says “Repentance is required/causes salvation.”

donsango says:

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and release from bondage of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
John 8: 11
Go on your way and sin no more, least a worse thing come upon you.
Unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Luke 13:3,5.
Ezekiel 18:30-32
“Repent! And turn from all your transgressions, so iniquity will not be your ruin.
Cast away from you all your transgressions, by which you have transgressed; and get a new heart and a new spirit.

TheAllForXMan says:

Friend, do you not know what repentance is? It means to change one’s mind. About what? About Christ, who He is; and about your sin and state. Change of mind leads to change of action. You are deeply in error, and I do not say that condemningly. Jeremiah 25:5; Ezekiel 14:6, 18:30; Matthew 4:17, 9:13, 11:20; Mark 16:12; Luke 13:3, 24:47; Acts 2:38, 3:19, 8:22, 17:30, 28:20; 2 Corinthians 7:10; 2 Timothy 2:25; 2 Peter 3:9; Revelation 2:5, 2:16, 2:22, 3:3, 3:19.
God have mercy!

FLYDUDE2200 says:

…dumb fucking nigger

Leanne Mcleod says:

The Pastor said the it could be decades for the Lord to return. God will not leave this evil world go for that long. The rapture is very near.

TheCountic16 says:

(Sorry, final comment this round…so few characters). Lastly, there is a reason why he hangs himself with his own noose, according to scriptures. Matthew 7:1-2, John 8:15, Romans 14:4. If you believe repentance is required for salvation, then that measure is established against yourself. But this also means if you do not believe repentance is required for salvation, then that measure will not be used against yourself. Nowhere does the Bible say repentance is required for salvation.

TheCountic16 says:

The reason I would avoid this man is because scriptures do not teach repentance based salvation. Scriptures teach Grace based salvation. Grace based salvation is the concept that there is nothing a man can do to earn his salvation….ever. Not before he is saved. Not while he is saved. The scriptures state this. Repentance comes AFTER one realizes this and THEN realizes they are still free, and going to heaven, which grants MORE praise and glory to God than to believe works is needed.

TheCountic16 says:

(cont’d) but instead it was because he still believes repentance is required for salvation at all. I believe he will keep receiving more and more visions until finally, some day in the future, he will realize repentance is not a requirement for salvation and that, instead, Jesus was trying to tell him he was hanging himself with his own noose even though he was granted full pardon through Grace alone:

James 2:10-13

So speak ye, and so do, as men that are to be judged by a law of liberty.

TheCountic16 says:

Yes, I actually make it my intention to listen intently even if/while I disagree. And no matter what the doctrine, I listen to it as if I were to believe it like an 8 year old hearing something important to remember for the first time ever. This way, I understand their perspective as best as possible. It is quite possible that the reason Jesus came to the man in visions saying he would not have taken him on that day…is not because he didn’t repent (bc in the heart, he did)…but…(cont’d)

Leanne Mcleod says:

TheHero do not be decieved. More souls go to Hell then Heaven. More christians end up in Hell then Heaven. Jesus said in His Word to try your best to go through the narrow gate as the road to Life is Hard and only a few find it. Repent of your sins. If you dont you will end up in Hell forever. Also if you do not forgive others you will also end up in Hell. Jesus said if you do not forgive others God will not forgive you

omonil says:

Are you serious? did you actually watch the entire video?This man gave a testimony of an encounter with Christ and what he was told and here you are trying to disprove him?
You remind me of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus where the rich man told Abraham to send him back to earth to warn his brothers so that they would not end up where he is but he was told by Abraham that if they didn’t believe the prophets (scriptures) they won’t believe him if he came back from the dead to warn them.

TheHero189 says:

Believe that Jesus Christ is your savior for all your sins. If you truly believe in Jesus Christ to be your savior for all your sins then you will go to heaven. If you believe in Jesus Christ then you are saved and you are in salvation and you have gained God’s righteousness. It matters not how much you have sinned in the past, in the present and especially in the future. Believe that Jesus Christ is your savior and you will go to heaven forever and that is the whole truth. Spread the truth.

TheCountic16 says:

Yea and we are sick and tired of people denying our testimonies on no better grounds than that they simply don’t want to believe it. I went to heaven in an OOB experience in June,2012 and had no belief such a thing could even happen until it happened that day. Millions of people throughout history make similar claims. In order to maintain your belief, you have to believe that every single one of those testimonies is false in some way. If just one of them is true…your belief system crashes.

TheCountic16 says:

(cont’d of scriptures that do not prove your point):

Luke 13:3 (this scripture proves repentance is a key part of the process post-salvation. It does not say that repentance causes salvation. It simply does *NOT* say it. Other scriptures about Grace causing salvation SAY Grace CAUSES salvation)

Btw…a person who understands Grace to cause salvation…is inclined to repent MORE than a person who believes repentance causes salvation.

Hebrews 6:1
Eph2:8 “By Grace have you been saved…”

TheCountic16 says:

Please cite the scripture that states “salvation begins with repentance.” Because…I can cite scripture that states Grace is the means of salvation, not repentance. I just did a keyword search of repentance in the last 24 hours….and not once did I ever find a scripture that says repentance causes salvation. But if I am missing it somehow, please feel free to provide. And please do not post the following scriptures, for they do not prove your case like you think they do: (cont’d)

donsango says:

Repent and seek the Lord. To be save you must repent,surrender to the Lord and walk with the Lord. Repent and be saved.

donsango says:

@TheCountic16, salvation begins with repentance, no repentance=no salvation, no Grace. Jesus preached repentance, his apostles preached repentance. You are indeed preaching Nicolaism, something the Lord revealed he hated in the book of Revelution. So repent and seek the Lord.

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