Does John 3:16 Debunk Calvinism? (James White)

Does John 3:16 Debunk Calvinism? (James White)

“For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16) This …

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Michel Haineault says:

Saying:God want all men to be saved ! it must implied that all men are saved because nobody can resist God calling but believe me they are far from being all saved. Don’t twist the scripture with the vanity of free will. Many are call few are elects! luke12:32 Do not be afraid,little flock,for your Father has been please to give you the kingdom!

Michel Haineault says:

The god of men is the free will falsification of the true Gospel,it is the golden calf made by men free will that they adore because they glorify men not God,they believe in men power ,they falsified the true God to push men in the podium of their ignominy and idolatry. You don’t have the Power to Save ,only God is Savior and to say that you chose is to say that you eat the deadly fruit of the tree in Eden that Eve eat by his own free will.Free will is the way of destruction and death.

Greg Settle says:

You do err, not knowing the Scriptures! “…the living God, who is the Savior of ALL men” 1Tim4:10 Bye, Bye Limited Atonement! “He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world” 1Jn2:2 Teem, here is what the real God wants “..God our Savior, who wants ALL men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth” 1 Tim 2:4

You have been GROSSLY lied to, the real God is waaay bigger than that puny, little calvin god!

teemu1381 says:

If Christ died for the whole world then everyone is going to Heaven….God chose the believer FIRST! There is TONS of Scripture in the NT that teaches that God has an ELECT (Ephesians 1:4) and II thessalonians 2:13 “because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation:….when you compare Scripture,it’s evident God does the saving and God has an Elect.I would say its you that has been lied to,and is full of pride and arrogant.

Greg Settle says:

For someone that is talking about COMPARING Scripture, I see you provided NONE, there’s a reason for that…….because NO Scriptures support “believing ones!!!”

You have believed a lie friend……calvinism is a lying, man-made doctrine and none of it’s 5-points are true, “eternal security” is true, but not the way the calvinists teach it!

But please “Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart” Heb 3;15

Michel Haineault says:

The light that shine is us is Jesus Spirit and it produce truth in the heart of the elects,who in turn show the light to the unsaved to produce light in them,the knowledge of Jesus Christ himself ! We can do “good work” but it doesn’t justified us,any sinful men can do good works but it wont save him.Mother Theresa was the champion of good works but these works wont saved her.If we let the spirit conduct us all the time we will shine all the time.Jesus is my Savior, justification and glory !

Michel Haineault says:

Works in Salvation is men salvation by work and being justified by works is not the gospel cause we are always justified only by Jesus Christ never by work , but God had predestined is elects to accomplish good works in Jesus Christ not in men.The Spirit produce good fruits and he conducts in doing the “good works” not to be justified because we are justified in Jesus but to accomplish those to whom we have been predestined.Work in salvation is a return to the law that condemn.

teemu1381 says:

try comparing Scripture with Scripture and you’ll find out that John 3:16 IS talking about the BELIEVING ONES in that passage..

Steve Reid says:

so let your light so shine before men that they see your good WORKS &glorify your farther which is in heaven .now it did not say so let your light so shine before men that they see your good FAITH why if faith is what saves a person or faith is what will turn men to see who GOD is then it would have said they will see your good faith but it is only the good WORKS that is produced by your faith that truly proves &shows who JESUS the light in you that shines &the works of righteousness is evident

Steve Reid says:

well then you believe that you want perish just b/c you believe you can stay in darkness hold on to sin you must read the rest of the verse where JESUS is showing who will be condemn those who want come to the light -that is JESUS&his doctrine that their deeds be reproved or rebuke. they want let go of their sin that is produce from their dead faith that comes from the deeds they sow they love darkness rather than light that is why it says they should not perish why they chose the darkness sin

Michel Haineault says:

Faith is God gift, you are not saved by works but by faith only.We are not justified by works ,works have nothing to do in Salvation because it’s God only who “work” in Salvation,Salvation is an act of God and not of man,so man don’t need justification by work but Christ is hour Justification.A christian in is life is never justified by works,but Christ gonna conduct him to do his will,The Holy Spirit will produce plenty full of fruits in a heart that love Christ.

Steve Reid says:

JOHN 3-16 will condemn all who believe but they walk in darkness-sin their deeds prove what they believe their faith is based on this whosoever believeth in him SHALL NOT PERSISH. they really believe if they just have faith& no works to prove their faith before men then they think thy are on there way to heaven . but it says THEY SHOULD NOT PERISH. THAT IS WAY THEY WILL PERISH THEY BELEIVE IT SAYS THEY SHALL NOT PERISH IF IT TRULY SAID THAT THEN I WOULD AGREE ALL WHO JUST BELEIVE ARE SAVED

Greg Barnes says:

So God so loved the world that He gave His unique Son, in order that all those believing in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

52RGD says:

You are right! Always put faith in God and never in men or in a denomination.

Never trust men, or denomnation in their man-made doctrine like Trinity, Tithing in Christianity, Unitarianism, JW, etc.

Michel Haineault says:

One God is explicit in all the bible ! trinity can only be poorly “implicit” but never “explicit”
For a trinitarian to reject the trinity its like loosing is salvation,its like facing 3 giants and feeling like a grasshopper.But if God is with you ,you gonna fight the giants and win the battle ,like David kill Goliath with the power of faith.Always put faith in God and never in men or in a denomination.Denominations are men domination,dont be seduce.

52RGD says:

4.
Trinitarians cannot find even one verse that teaches trinity, so what they do is take part of one scripture join it with a part of another scripture not related at all and join them again to a part of another scripture and said, You see, that is trinity.

It is like a man who wanted to prove that a non existing beast really exists. He took parts of different animals joined them carefully and nicely and took a picture of it and show it to the world and say, Look, that beast really exist.

52RGD says:

3.
When people read in the bible that Jesus was crucified, they automatically think that “God the Son” was crucified. Same with baptism.
It was not God who was baptized or crucified but man.

No one can baptize nor crucify God.

Jesus is both God and Man. But as a messiah He is Man.

1 Tim 2:5
“For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the “”MAN”” Christ Jesus”

52RGD says:

2.
It is not only Trinity that is not in the bible but all the words and terms related to the doctrine is not in the bible. Such as: Trintiy, Triune God, Unified God, co-equal, co-eternal, co-existent, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, eternal Son, etc.

There is not even one verse that teaches Trinity.

The main culprit why people are deceived and encounter lots of confusion is the invented phrase “God the Son”. There is no “God the Son” but “Son of God”.

52RGD says:

1.
I am not any of what you think I am.
I have somewhat a belief similar to oneness like UPCI but a little bit different.

There is only ONE GOD. Jesus Christ is the ONE GOD manifest in the flesh. This is the exact doctrine of the bible, no more, no less.

Unitarian and JW have less. Trinitarian have more.

The doctrine of trinity was invented by the Catholics. All Catholics and protestants are brainwashed with this man-made doctrines.

Luther, the founder of protestantism was a Roman Catholic.

Kristjen Štjuprić says:

explain how the Trinity is not in the Bible. please do… i would love to hear this. I assume you are a Unitarian, possibly a Methodist? maybe even a Jehovah’s Witness or a Mormon? perhaps you are a Polytheist? The Trinity is explained in the Bible – just because the exact WORD is not used, does not mean it is not a Biblical concept.

Michel Haineault says:

i approved.He his more confusing than understandable.Too much bla bla bla

Greg Settle says:

Just imagine taking 45 minutes to tell you that John 3:16 doesn’t mean what it clearly says,….. even a child can understand this most precious of verses!

Stay tuned, coming out in the fall is White’s new book!

“Why the Bible Never Means What It Says”

timothy gill says:

Smarten up.

52RGD says:

3.
You have the guts to call me heresy when you cannot find even one verse in the bible that teaches trinity.

Nor can you find your trinity terminologies such as:
Trinity, Triune God, Unified God, 3 persons of God, co-equal, co-existent, co-eternal, eternal Son, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, etc.

The above terminologies relating to the doctrine of trinity can never be found in the scriptures.

Trinity is the doctrine of the devil invented by the anti Christ Catholics.

52RGD says:

2.
Jesus as messiah is man. 1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the “”MAN”” Christ Jesus

The one who was baptized was NOT “God the Son” but Man.
The one who died on the cross was NOT “God the Son” but Man.

So the baptism of Jesus does NOT teach nor show that 3 persons of God namely “God the Father”, “God the Son”, and God the “Holy Spirit” were present.

52RGD says:

1.
You call me heresy and you want to know my opinion?
This is strange. I know that your belief is heresy and I don’t want your opinion.

The baptism did not teach God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit were present.

The one being baptized is not God but man. The Spirit of God that descended like a dove is not another person of God which you call God the Holy Spirit. You cannot baptize God. It is God that baptize with the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of God is God HImself.

spalmer718 says:

Ah, thank you. I just wanted you to express your heresy in no uncertain terms.

What is your explanation for the baptism of Jesus in which all three are present at the same time? Jesus in the water, the Holy Spirit descending upon Him, and the Father speaking from Heaven regarding His son? Three distinct persons.

52RGD says:

Oh my! My answer was very clear. Of course no. I don’t believe that God is a Trinity?
God is not 3 persons.
There is no such thing as “God the Son”, God the Holy Spirit, eternal Son, Triune God, etc

spalmer718 says:

No, actually it isn’t. Just answer “yes” or “no”. Stop with all the obfuscation.

Do you believe in the trinity?

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